Couldn't they take advice though since they own Europa Park take some of their knowledge to give them a hand
Pirate Adventure
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Just because their themepark has theming, doesnt mean they make it themselves. American, English and European companies have all built theming for Europa Park, in recent times too.
It would make no sense for them to go ask Mack rides, who would in turn ask Europa Park, who would then go and ask one of these company's. When Drayton Manor could just go to one of the companies direct.
I went Drayton today and I looked at the pirate adventure building I know they sold some of the stuff inside but what are they going to do with the building that ride was one of my childhood favourites I’m 34 now and I still wish they would bring it back
Talking about Theming who did the work inside Ghosty Manor at Paulton’s park?
That’s what I mean there is still uk companies out there who can build good sets. Even Simworx’s could help with the boat system and projector mapping
That's the mystery of a Dark Ride you never know what's going on inside
I think currently not a lot. Maybe they been looking at all the options and the looping have a good track record of improving rides/bringing back SBNO rides as it’s a lot cheaper than replacing the whole ride.
Sorry for going off topic for a second but they did think about keeping Apocalypse if they could get the floorless side working and changing the 2 stand up to sit down so they could have 4 sides sit down but after spending the money to get the floorless open for the reminding 2022 season but they sorted the 1 problem which lifted the car to the top of the tower and it never released from the catch car so they lowered it back down and that’s where it stayed to be was removed.
People moan about the looping group but there’s more rides at Drayton then there’s ever been.
Mack rides are the fabricating company run by the Mack family. Their other companies; Mack one and Mack animation absolutely do engage in design work, including concept design, scenic artwork, AV design , show control etc) and were involved in some of the designs for Piraten en Batavia rebuild , after the awful fire a few years ago.
They don't directly manufacture the theming, but do the design work, architectural schematics, and are involved in the electrical/mechanical setups, and creative guidance during installation.
If you factor out the animations and control systems, I wouldn't say that Pirate Adventure and POTC are that different in terms of detail. Both used a similar Georgian style for most of the buildings, and a similar number historically relevant props for each scene . And the set pieces for both rides used mainly PVC / ABS polymers, hessian backed plaster , steel framing underneath, and fibreglass too, so there is not much difference between the two in scenic build quality, in all honesty. Both rides had bespoke soundtracks ; if anything Pirate Adventure had more in terms of musical variation, whereas POTC was a little repetitive in the yo ho leitmotif, but had more in terms of dialogue. If we're using POTC as it is now, then the lighting / dimmers/ flicker units the ride currently uses don't look natural in the way that the ride used to . There's an overuse of digitally controlled RGB LED strips in present day POTC too; which have a lower color rendering index. To be honest , if we are talking about the ride as it is now, there's tonnes of criticisms you can go in to (the silly removal of original scenes for silly reasons, constant film franchise references that make it feel more like a POTC film advert, the projection mappers)
The big difference between the two rides, as said, is obviously the animations. But hyper-realistic animations , as impressive as they are from a design standpoint, don't always mean a more immersive experience, in my opinion. In fact it can look rather unusual to see such lifelike figures unable to walk around and being in stationary positions; whereas this is less the case with the cartoonish figures you had in Pirate Adventure. Lots of movement also gives away all the game as to what's going on. Whereas the more 'still frame' or 'basic' animations can be better for immersion. The Kingmaker in warwick castle is a perfect example of how some of the best immersive experiences don't necessarily require a lot of movement. Your imagination fills in the gaps, using the visual stillframe detail provided. Personally, I quite liked like limited movements and cartoonishness of Pirate Adventure for that reason too.
POTC was brilliant in its original innovative 20th century form, and still remains a great ride, and owing to its budget has a certain set of advantages over other themed rides, but I disagree that it is 'objectively' better as a ride than Pirate Adventure, or that it is necessarily more immersive, especially if we bring in the rides modern day flaws. I'd say it very much is subjective, and a matter of opinion
Well the queue line would be the last area that would be worked on.
Theres doors all around the building as these’s are fire exits but the main area will be the maintenance doors on the side that can be seen on the Thomas train. I think that’s why nothing major is happening at the moment as to get into the site they will have to use the Zoo exit road for deliveries and for the contractors to arrive and also the Thomas train will have to become unavailable at times.
Theres doors all around the building as these’s are fire exits but the main area will be the maintenance doors on the side that can be seen on the Thomas train. I think that’s why nothing major is happening at the moment as to get into the site they will have to use the Zoo exit road for deliveries and for the contractors to arrive and also the Thomas train will have to become unavailable at times.
With all due respect this is why i said that MACK RIDES do not fabricate themeing. I never once mentioned any of the umbrella companies.
There is a HUGE difference in scenic quality between the two. It is massive.
Outside of the caves in Pirates of the Caribbean, I agree to disagree with that latter statement. Disney did the caves a lot better than Pirate Adventure though.
While Pirate Adventure never had that organic look/feel that Pirates of the Caribbean does, in a way im glad. Pirate Adventure had a more stylised and cartoonie look to it, so of course it won't have the same look/feel Pirates of the Caribbean does. Same can be said about Los Piratas, which I actually think looked better than Pirate Adventure in some ways, but still carried that lovely Golding/Space Leisure style.
Personally I don't see realism as something objectively better when it comes to dark rides. Both sides (realism and simplicity) have their pros and cons. Disneys looks loads flasher than Pirate Adventure did, but I doesn't have that lovely charm Pirate Adventure had. I think a great example of this is Europa Parks new Piraten in Batavia.
While I adore Batavia and it's my favourite dark ride out there, I never rode the original, but I can see why older fans preferred the original, especially in the style and music. Old Batavia was definitely more stylized and less conventional than new Batavia, but to an extent New Batavia carries some of that to a certain extent, especially in the queue with the funky tavern music. New Batavia seems like a middle ground on POTCs realism and Pirate Adventures more cartoonist style.
With music, i actually much prefer Pirate Adventures music from memory than POTCs. Hot take, I know. It wasn't as cinematic but still had a lot of charm and character in it, and did it perfectly personally. A great example is the queue, it always got me excited with that infamous jingle and the whistling and as I got closer to the station.
All in all, both rides, while similar in themes, definitely were approached differently by its respected designers. You can say the build quality for one was better than the other, but the actual theming by how it looked, both were pretty close to each other in that regard personally.
There is no agreeing to disagree it though. It is fact. You either acknowledge and accept it, or you are ignorant, it is as simple as that. Sorry to be so blunt, but facts are fact.
Not a single piece of steel was used to build any set piece within Pirate Adventure, it was all cls timber and OSB. All if it. Anyone who has ever walked behind the scenes will back that up. Why? To save money.
Take Pirate's of the Carribean at DLP, many construction photos avaliable online, the whole ride, set pieces, rock work, the lot. All put together with steel as the under pinning. Not a single piece of OSB or Timber in sight. Why? Because better materials not only give better quality, they are more robust. Especially in a damp environment. This is before we even start talking about materials to build actual guest visable set pieces such as buildings and rockwork.
I am sorry, you cannot argue with fact. You may not agree, but that doesnt make you right. Because fact are facts. Go and look yourself. It is not my opinion, not of that is. It is fact. Now your opinion, which by the way is an opinion, is incorrect, why? Because the actual facts don't back up what you say.
The TLDR of this argument is, you are trying to argue that a ride that cost approximately 150 million in UK money, was built with the same quality and set pieces as a ride that cost 2 million.
. I have seen some delusions in my life. This one, it is up there for sure.The big difference is budget like Pirate of the Caribbean ride cost £15 million to build in the £1960’s which is roughly £110 million today and featured roughly 120 Audio-Animatronic humans and animals.
On the other hand Pirate adventure cost £3 million in 1990 and if it was gonna be built from scratch today would cost £7.5 million and featured over 90 Audio-Animatronic humans and animals.
Now I know for a fact at the auction only the broken stuff was sold and the heads off some of the pirates. So I think most of the frames of the basic Animatronic’s are still at the park and they 100% still got the fully operational captain pirate that was on the boat in the battle scene.
Now if they can get the ride back up and running with new boats they really only need to spend 5 million max to bring the building up to safety standard, build new scenes, add the still working Audio-Animatronic humans and animals and maybe projected mapping, new lighting and a new sound system and they got a ride that will bring all old and new generations back to the park.
I know my mum would be very happy as she loved the ride.
On the other hand Pirate adventure cost £3 million in 1990 and if it was gonna be built from scratch today would cost £7.5 million and featured over 90 Audio-Animatronic humans and animals.
Now I know for a fact at the auction only the broken stuff was sold and the heads off some of the pirates. So I think most of the frames of the basic Animatronic’s are still at the park and they 100% still got the fully operational captain pirate that was on the boat in the battle scene.
Now if they can get the ride back up and running with new boats they really only need to spend 5 million max to bring the building up to safety standard, build new scenes, add the still working Audio-Animatronic humans and animals and maybe projected mapping, new lighting and a new sound system and they got a ride that will bring all old and new generations back to the park.
I know my mum would be very happy as she loved the ride.
Well this was completely unnecessary to say wasn’t it? extremely rude.
But that wasn't even the original argument though? The argument was how PA had more of a charm BECAUSE of the fact that it looked more cartoony and cost less to build. When it comes to sentimental value, people are often blinded by nostalgia and overlook small details such as how things might not have looked just as high quality as others did at the time (which would've obviously cost more). PA provided a cheaper alternative to people in the UK who couldn't afford to just get up and leave to visit Disney Land, and ride their newest attraction on the day it opened, and I think that's also where a lot of the love for the PA stems from.There is no agreeing to disagree it though. It is fact. You either acknowledge and accept it, or you are ignorant, it is as simple as that. Sorry to be so blunt, but facts are fact.
Not a single piece of steel was used to build any set piece within Pirate Adventure, it was all cls timber and OSB. All if it. Anyone who has ever walked behind the scenes will back that up. Why? To save money.
Take Pirate's of the Carribean at DLP, many construction photos avaliable online, the whole ride, set pieces, rock work, the lot. All put together with steel as the under pinning. Not a single piece of OSB or Timber in sight. Why? Because better materials not only give better quality, they are more robust. Especially in a damp environment. This is before we even start talking about materials to build actual guest visable set pieces such as buildings and rockwork.
I am sorry, you cannot argue with fact. You may not agree, but that doesnt make you right. Because fact are facts. Go and look yourself. It is not my opinion, not of that is. It is fact. Now your opinion, which by the way is an opinion, is incorrect, why? Because the actual facts don't back up what you say.
The TLDR of this argument is, you are trying to argue that a ride that cost approximately 150 million in UK money, was built with the same quality and set pieces as a ride that cost 2 million.
People are constantly mentioning on this thread about how they remember riding the original PA when they were younger with their family, which further proves the point that just because something costs more to make, doesn't always mean people will feel a stronger sense of nostalgia/love towards that same thing.
Something people should also realise is that Disney is a mega-conglomerate company who (even more so in this day and age) have billions at their disposal to spend on pretty much anything they see as profitable/beneficial to them in the future. A hundred million+ dollar ride which would draw in guests to the park and increase the overall company value? Sure, why not!
On another note, insulting the person whose argument you were responding to, is first off extremely rude, and secondly makes your argument mostly invalid. Outside of the internet, people who throw insults around instead of forming an actual debate to put forward their point would be seen as unintelligent, and a vast majority of people wouldn't listen to anything they had to say. Just keep in mind that because you are sat behind a screen doesn't mean you should act any differently to how you would do in real life.
If Pirate Adventure is returning to operation next Year as I highly suspect it is, I expect we’ll hear the first teaser within the next 2 to 3 Months. Theme Parks generally acknowledge the seceding years exciting news in the final trimester of the season. This boosts hype and excitement. With the return of Pirate Adventure being such an eagerly awaited event Drayton Manor will no doubt give us the first teaser at the earliest opportunity. Before 2015 Pirate Adventure brought a slither of Disney magic to Britain. As everyone knows Pirate Adventure was modelled on the classic Pirates Of The Caribbean Dark Ride located within the majority of the Disney Theme Parks.
If next year does herald the return of Pirate Adventure,I can guarantee visitor numbers to Drayton Manor will peak as will its rating within European Theme Parks. Prior to its closure Pirate Adventure was one of Europes best Dark Rides. With the advancements in special effects,animatronics and overall theming pieces a revived Pirate Adventure could easily become Britains best Dark Ride or even one of the top 5 in Europe. The title of the best Dark Ride in Britain probably belongs to The Curse At Alton Manor at Alton Towers. Like Pirate Adventure The Curse At Alton Manor was inspired by a classic Disney Dark Ride. In this instance the Ride that The Curse At Alton Manor is based on is Phantom Manor at Disneyland Pari.
If next year does herald the return of Pirate Adventure,I can guarantee visitor numbers to Drayton Manor will peak as will its rating within European Theme Parks. Prior to its closure Pirate Adventure was one of Europes best Dark Rides. With the advancements in special effects,animatronics and overall theming pieces a revived Pirate Adventure could easily become Britains best Dark Ride or even one of the top 5 in Europe. The title of the best Dark Ride in Britain probably belongs to The Curse At Alton Manor at Alton Towers. Like Pirate Adventure The Curse At Alton Manor was inspired by a classic Disney Dark Ride. In this instance the Ride that The Curse At Alton Manor is based on is Phantom Manor at Disneyland Pari.